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Post by Vecuu on Jan 2, 2013 2:08:03 GMT -5
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Romeofalls
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Post by Romeofalls on Jan 2, 2013 9:57:25 GMT -5
Seems interesting. I might try it out. Its pretty easy to understand, since the main focus is damage. Though I havent really played a warrior it looks like it be fun to do. Not to mention awesome for dungeon runs.
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Post by Vecuu on Jan 2, 2013 12:57:37 GMT -5
Support in the form of large amounts of Vulnerability and Might for your team, spammable condition removal, high damage, and built in sustain.
Pretty boss.
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kirha
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Post by kirha on Jan 2, 2013 14:22:56 GMT -5
Wow! I really like the look of that build. That may be what I do with my warrior at some point. I have to get her to 80 first.  |
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Phoenix
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Post by Phoenix on Jan 2, 2013 17:13:27 GMT -5
This warrior combined with a shout build guardian would wreck in dungeon runs  |
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Post by melodycross on Feb 18, 2013 23:10:43 GMT -5
Lotta reading on that post: gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQJARUncOk8YUQOPwEhAALwUooLDqYK9oM0SD;T4Ag0ynEOJdS9kyJKvM6I0x2lzLZXLIGZACheatsheet for all us lazy types. From what I'm understanding the use of Shake it off, might and vulnerability stacks is designed to reduce HoT by enemies enemies while increasing DoT for the team. How survivable is this? I'd be remiss to say I really understand warriors yet, but I want to improve and if this build is as supporty as the OP claims, I'm very interested. Has it been tested outside the GWGuru forums yet? |
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Post by duhgeneral on Feb 19, 2013 13:33:54 GMT -5
I can't say that i have used this build extensively. But i have used it in wvw and dungeon runs I however did a few different things with it. I use PTV armor with it and if anyone doesnt know what that is it Power Toughness Vitality. In stead of doing that 2 2 2 combo with the runes i just with with dolyak more toughness and constant regen of like 32 ticks a sec. once i start my rampage on a mob in a dungeon easily dropping 12-15 stacks of vuln its not rare for 100b to smack someone for 11-12k. With healing shouts you are also dishing out like 1.25k of heals per shout.
In the wvw setting its nice as long as you have a party with you that will and can focus down a target. Yes you know have more survivability but that doesn't mean you can go sit and tank the front lines of wvw you will still get smacked into the ground instantly. Cause if i remember correctly you only have around 2800 armor which is mediocre at best for a warrior.
All in all its not a terrible build i don't mind using it for PVE when i feel like whipping out my greatsword however i have fallen for a new axe/shield build i have come up with. However i am trying to work on a new greatsword build that i truly love cause i am missing 3 things for twilight
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Post by melodycross on Feb 19, 2013 19:36:44 GMT -5
The OP seems to suggest that doing what you posit would weaken the build gen. The reduction in boon duration would affect might stacks...somehow, still doing the math, but perpetual Might stacking to 25 for the team is...not going to happen on a single character spam. It would require a minimum of two to cycle even @45 sec uptick with 25 second recycle. This I feel rather confident in saying since I did the math. Here:
Stacking 5 per tick, 5+5@25 seconds for a 10 upkeep R 20 seconds. If you pop your sig at the same time, that's 15 stacks for 2s, then 10 for 24 seconds while the sigil is still active and FGJ is on cycle, then another 15 for about 9 with the last pop of FGJ while sigil winds down. But the warrior, far as i can tell, would need perpetual support from at least one and probably 2 might spammers to do what is suggested in the OP. With Sig Strength, you'll require a minimum of 10 crits every 25 seconds--sorry; 5 if Forceful GS stacks with sigil--for Might to yourself (doable, I won't argue, however it requires a phenomenal amount of things to go right; blinds off, no shutdown skills kicking you in the teeth, no KDs or knockbacks forcing you back into their face.), but there is no way to improve the might stacks to the team beyond 15 for brief periods.
This is why I simply do NOT understand warrior builds. The math never bares out the claims. "I can get 40k crit with HB on a guardian!" or "25 stacks of bleeding is mandatory and easily done." Now this: "20-25 stack of Might constantly if you use the right sigil" How??? I respec my warrior to as close as I can afford as the build that makes the claim(s), and I get maybe half that. Probably less; I've frankly gotten so sick of the subject that I stopped playing Dewon outright. Are there external factors at work (ie, another Might stacker, another bleed build, etc? Is it simple ignorance on the posters part, killing lvl 5s in WvW and thinking he's leet? Or is it good old fashioned Boasting turned (pardon the phrase) BS.
not sure how much I trust the OP though. He seems very critical of other commenters who suggest they have been using something 'very similar' to his build.
This is as close to a hybrid build I've seen for a warrior though. High spec in vitality, but built (well, the state its purpose is) for damage. Not a glass cannon but a presence a team will feel.
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Post by duhgeneral on Feb 19, 2013 22:31:13 GMT -5
Nothing against you but doing math for this sort of thing never works out and usually tends to make less sense. yes i understand i didnt do his build part for part but you are actually able to keep up a minimum of 8 might stacks at all time on yourself from SOR and FGJ. now the rest of your might will come from the trait and the sigil if you have it. and its not uncommon in a dungeon run to run up to a mob even without this exact build and get 20-25 might stacks from just droping 100b think about if you crit the entire time on a mob of 100b=9 attacks 9*3=27 hence 25 might stacks. plus some plus your other skills.
I am not going to say im a expert on warrior but i do have like 750-800 hours on my warrior so i would like to think i know what i am taking about when it comes down on how to play a warrior
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Post by melodycross on Feb 20, 2013 1:58:56 GMT -5
It was not my intent to offend, but I have been frustrated by the class and a lot of the community that plays it. I know a lot of people play by feel, and thats fun and fully acceptable and a lot of great builds start that way.
Math, however, requires no qualifications to know what its talking about. it simply needs be correct.
It's an argument like that, gen, which started the modifications and contributions Lilitu gave to the build (including a rather stern behind chewing in the opening posts to Brand, who took it in stride).
Still researching Lilitu's figures so I'm not willing to jump just yet. While this build has more research than any of the warrior builds I've seen on guru, I've been, to coin a phrase, "Red Falcon'd" enough times to be shy about jumping without both the theory and the real world effectiveness (for lack of a better term background) tested.
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Post by duhgeneral on Feb 20, 2013 2:37:15 GMT -5
well if it means anything to you i currently have two build which allow me to solo champion risen giants archmages champ ooze king
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