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Post by bllades123 on Dec 26, 2012 1:19:07 GMT -5
So as most of you know I am a PvP junkie. There are many in Jaded who are just as stoked about PvP as I am.
Personally, I feel like Darkhaven sucks at WvW. Getting demolished by some of these servers is not only embarassing, but unacceptable. Seriously. Its one thing to lose, but Darkhaven gets violated like a little boy in never never land.
So the reason I made this post is to inform you guys of some very interesting facts I have recently discovered along with a new plan that may change Darkhaven's WvW performance for the better good, for those of you that give 2/3 of a crap here they are:
1. Some people say the reason Darkhaven loses is because Darkhavens doesn't have the population.
- That's wrong. According to ArenaNet forums Darkhaven actually has more active players than most servers, even the deemed "WvW" servers.
2. We're losing because the big name WvW guilds left.
- This is true, however when I did some digging turns out two guilds that are heavy into WvW are still here; RE and WE. Rethesis and WinEveryday. Apparently they're damn good too, but lack man power.
3. This is a PvE server now. Everyones a carebear.
- Bullshit. Upon further digging into some statistics, it revealed that approximately 62% of the servers population is currently active in PvP. By definition they stated that being active in PvP means you have competed in WvW or SPvP atleast once in a 3 days time span. And not just go in to farm the NPC's they state that active means you have participated in PvP combat. 62% of the total active population in Darkhaven is not a small number.
Still think this server is full of carebears?
So what? What does this mean? It means we've got the manpower, but lack the collective organization. You go into WvW and you see 50 different guild names running around, and commanders doing jumping puzzles. (Not killing people, I mean actually doing the jumping puzzle as the only commander on the map; really?)
So I contacted many GM's on Darkhaven, and begun to collectively talk about my goal for this server; Bring it back up in the WvW category, and for the love of god; stand a chance against these servers.
So far I have collectively recieved 23 responses from GM's who are not only ready, but willing to put in a collective plan.
The reason I post this is simply because if you love PvP and you would like to see Darkhaven succeed in WPvP, I could use some help getting the cohesive plan together. I also wanted to make sure it was ok with the GM's that I am doing this while representing Jaded.
This frankly is too much to read, but if you are interested in what I am up to, I mean seriously interested in getting Darkhaven back up to speed, smashing keeps, and sending invaders back to their waypoints crying, let me know, i'd be more than happy to go into further detail.
See you in game.
-Bllades
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Post by Epicenter on Dec 26, 2012 8:43:48 GMT -5
You do know 98% of all statistics are made up. ;D That being said, I did enjoy my first time in WvW the other night and plan on do it more in the future. It's just something about shooting my fireball in a crowd and seeing them scatter after it goes boom along with a good chunk of their health.  |
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Post by thelilleet on Dec 26, 2012 10:49:23 GMT -5
First of all: Bllades. You are not a female.
Secondly: There's a bunch of theories on why our server isn't doing very well at the moment, such as it's the holidays, people are burnt out, people are bored of the constant circling a map with a small squad, people are sick of the exploits (I witnessed two very suspicious activities yesterday), people don't want to stick around and wait for the enemy to defend or waste money on upgrades because they know the enemy zerg will be there soon.
You know how it is after roaming for hours, you log off and the next time you pop in everything you capped is in enemy hands. So the circle continues.
And frankly it gets a bit boring after a while.
And I'd like to add that the use of 'carebear' should be abolished, punishable by international law even.
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Post by Darktrinity on Dec 26, 2012 12:48:51 GMT -5
I agree with this. Darkhaven's main problem is lack of organization, more than anything else. If we can get enough guilds active in WvW, I'd be all for it. Anything to get Darkhaven back to where it should be. While it may be true that people on this server are burnt out from the holidays, that isn't all that is going on. Over the past two months, Darkhaven has been middling in WvW. Now, it isn't bad to be middlng, but it is still a bit depressing. And it could very well get worse. The whole of Jaded, including those who aren't interested in PvP, shouldn't really get involved but if there is a large enough number of people in the guild who really love WvW, we could try and form a small group. Unfortunately, I still haven't reached lvl 80 (ignore the siggy, it lies  ) so I don't know how helpful I'd be in all this, but if anyone needs someone to build and supply siege in the future, just ask PS: So, how exactly did someone manage to gather those statistics, anyways? Anet isn't monitoring our every action now, are they?  |
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Post by Vecuu on Dec 26, 2012 13:54:54 GMT -5
This is very ambitious of you Bllades. You make a lot of good points. The steps you made to contact other Guild Leaders is a good one. If you would be willing to post your letter to them here in this thread, I may be able to give you more feedback on your current plan, but, as it stands, I'm a little confused as to your next step. You have reached out to other guilds, which is grand. I suspect the next step is to attempt to find a way in which all of the DH guild leaders can communicate. When DH loses badly, it's because we ignore the Borderlands. WvW is won on the borderlands. There are three times as many points to capture out there. I have some interest in seeing Darkhaven flourish. I know we are one of the most active and populous servers. I shouldn't need to say this, but, as a whole, I would rather promote a friendly environment through which Jaded can continue to grow. We are growing every day, and we are beginning to reach a state of growing pains. I am eager for you to get your commander tag. Not because it will reflect on Jaded, but because I know you are passionate about, not only winning, but uniting our server. Frankly, Bllades, I have concerns of you getting your little blue diamond as well. When it's all said and done, Bllades, I am all ears. If there is something I can do to help you, I will. Not because I admire your ambitious goals, but because you are a member of Jaded and we back each other up. -V |
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Post by Vecuu on Dec 26, 2012 13:57:22 GMT -5
First of all: Bllades. You are not a female. Also, this. |
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Post by Rosette Wildthorn on Dec 26, 2012 15:29:38 GMT -5
Bllades, you totally remind me of Rainbow Dash! Too much to explain in that so watch this www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVtx6nTRBxg otherwise you make WvW 20% cooler xD (I bet nobody got that reference ): ). I love WvW and PvP type stuff so I hope a push can be made for improvement! |
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Post by bllades123 on Dec 26, 2012 19:51:29 GMT -5
To address some of the questions: PS: So, how exactly did someone manage to gather those statistics, anyways? Anet isn't monitoring our every action now, are they? [/quote] - Believe it or not, all I did was contact ArenaNet and they linked me (through copy and paste) some statistics about many servers not just ours. Yes, ArenaNet,, why he gave me the light of day? No idea. Got lucky I suppose. Our server actually has quite a large and active PvP base. Leet I forgive you for liking quaggans. Forgive me for using the term carebear. Also, WvW isn't won by zergs, in fact Zergs are detrimental to the success of WvW, thats the whole problem. No Organization, people just following blue diamonds around thinking they're going to accomplish something. This will fix that. Organization would stop the never ending circle, and god knows it can be boring. I understand that, but it also can be stopped. - V My first step was to see how many people are willing to lay down their guild pride, and cooperate. I contacted RE's (Rethesis) GM (Ethersin) who I know for a fact has a lot of experience in the WvW category, he told me that I was trying to build the roof before I lay the foundation. He said that I needed to get GOOD guilds together, and make sure they were willing to lay down their pride (guild pride) and be able to work cohesively under a single united motive. I completely agree with him. So my first step is to see how many people i'm working with, because we can all agree no one likes to lose. No one. My second step is to get all of the representative GM's into a ventrilo, to discuss how we can un-fuck this situation poste haste. General came with me to RE's vent server last night. Ethersin was willing to lead a group, and cooperate but he had requirements that must be met. However he seemed very skeptical, mostly it seemed that he was skeptical that anyone could convince these guilds to remove their heads from their asses promptly and work together. "Darkhaven needs good guilds, you could bring me 1000 people, but if they don't work together. Forget it." - Ethersin Summary: Step 1: Contact GM's see how many people are willing to do this. In their guilds as well Step2 : Get these GM's in vent together, post on forums etc. Lay down the plan and get the foundations for an alliance started. - Establish communication. Step 3 : Implement strategies, create squads, groups etc. Work out actual in WvW strategy, with the help of commanders as well as Ethersin. Step 4: Execution. Smash. It's one thing to transfer to a server that has already gone to the top, its a whole 'nother thing to take a server at the bottom that has nothing, and take it all the way up. As V said much more rewarding. Rome wasn't built in a day, but I sure as hell am gonna try. Ill post the comments GM's say on this forum. That way you guys can make sure that i'm not saying anything that Jaded would.... frown upon.... and so I can get your opinions on the matter. |
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Post by bllades123 on Dec 28, 2012 6:50:47 GMT -5
So far I have three fairly large guilds on board:
Seventh Abyss - Led by Leone Di Cieli (Commander)
EKG - Led by Sigma (Commander)
Rethesis - Led by Ethersin (Still to be determined if they're staying on this server or not)
I also have many random pugs who want to join the cause as well, how we will organize these pugs is to be determines, but these three guilds are huge into Wpvp, and this is definately a fantastic step in the right direction for Darkhaven.
Many seemed skeptical, but more shocked that someone was trying to attempt this. So far, smooth sailing.
I'd really like feed back from you guys, I respect your opinions, so please feel free to speak your mind.
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Post by Kieran on Dec 28, 2012 7:30:13 GMT -5
I'd love to see the looks on the other server's faces when Darkhaven starts dominating. I really hope this works out well.
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Post by Zooey on Dec 28, 2012 11:47:55 GMT -5
This is really good stuff, Bllades. That you are taking initiative and reaching out to these other guilds is commendable and I'm definitely interested in where this goes... We've talked via /g chat, on different occasions, while WvW'ing how alliances (similar to GW1) would be so beneficial when it comes to WvW and it seems like your primary goal is just that.. to establish alliances and I'm definitely all in for GW2 alliances! Let's hope Anet follows with an alliance chat channel some day As you've mentioned, a need for group communication is important, which can be established as a separate alliance forums along with vent specific communication (WvW channel). Having a central location for communication will only increase interest in this goal, imo. This made me curious about pre-existing alliances so I did some digging... And found this site: www.darkhavenunited.com/Since an alliance is there, it may be something that you could integrate into the work that you've already completed. They already have a forums which eliminates a step and they already have guilds in the alliance. It could just be a matter of reaching out to the other guild leaders in the same way you have with others.. stoking the fire, basically. At the very least, getting into the DHA alliance just to see how it's working, if guilds are happy, is there progress in WvW etc. It may be that DHA isn't as active or involved as they could be and some of the guilds that are involved with DHA wouldn't mind a fresh perspective... who knows. Also, at first glance, it seems like they are recruiting WvW'ers into the DHA (Alliance guild) and so players can represent that guild while they are participating in WvW and represent their home guild when they aren't. Could Jaded establish a secondary WvW guild for alliances? Something to think about... At any rate, it looks like you could easily be on the way to establishing a grand alliance for the Darkhaven server! Congratulations If there is anything I can do to help, please let me know. Cheers! |
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Post by Zooey on Dec 28, 2012 13:39:25 GMT -5
First of all: Bllades. You are not a female. Also, this. Also, also.. this! You know how it goes... if you want to be taken seriously then get serious! Bringing out the silliness whenever the situation calls for it is always a plus.. which is hopefully more often than not |
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Post by Vecuu on Dec 28, 2012 14:04:06 GMT -5
I've been thinking about the difficulties of organizing a build WvW group. We want a commander for those times we have more than 5 people playing, but, at the same time, having a commander tag undermines any covert operations, since it will draw our zerg.
I really wish they kept the squad system that was in beta. Or came up with a guild-only blue-star commander tag. Each guild could have up to two commanders that all of their guildies could see, but nobody else could.
It would go a long way for organizational purposes.
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Post by Zooey on Dec 28, 2012 14:58:48 GMT -5
I forgot about the squad feature. Honestly, I've never been in a squad nor tried out the system. I completely agree that having a function that was guild based rather than map focused (i.e. commander tag) would be more helpful than the current commander process. It tends to get confusing if too many commander tags are on the map and players new to WvW would fall into a zerg instead of staying with the squad or vice versa. Exactly as you said, "undermines any covert operations" I think I spend more time trying to find and re-group with guildies in WvW. If/when the day ever comes that Anet implements a guild focused solution, what are your thoughts on using the squad feature for those situations when our numbers reach a certain point in the borderlands/EB? Say 16+ or 21+ guildies? bllades: Some other options in finding guild leaders to talk to about joining a Darkhaven alliance include the Guilds forums at: forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/guilds/guildsWhen I was catching up there today, I saw Vindictive's recruiting post at: forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/guilds/guilds/Vindictive-on-Darkhaven-18-WvW-dungeons-1Vindictive appears to be mostly WvW and so reaching out to the leader there could add to your alliance roster. Another is the WvW forums at: forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/pvp/wuvwuv In the WvW forums, I see posts like this which could prove useful: forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/pvp/wuvwuv/Darkhaven-Guild-Leaders-and-CommandersCheers! |
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Post by bllades123 on Dec 30, 2012 18:48:08 GMT -5
Decided to give all of you an update on the progress. Here is the new list:
Seventh Abyss - Led by Leone Di Cieli (Commander)
Vindictive - Led by Stomp and Tryden (Commander)
Jaded - Veccu Raine (Awesome-sauce)
NvP - Neural Dissonance (Commander)
Synergy Consortium - Piccolo Sama (Commander)
Nuclear - Yer (GM)
Sleep is for noobs - Kryptic
KORE - Thore Strongside (Commander)
One for all - Acium (Commander)
[Insert guild name here] - Andrew Colortus (GM)
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) so I don't know how helpful I'd be in all this, but if anyone needs someone to build and supply siege in the future, just ask 
